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[...] hello, Miamians it is wonderful to be with you, virtually for winner college.
This year, our alumni, parents, and students have access to Miami's top faculty and our outstanding alumni.
It is my great pleasure to introduce one of those Alumni Way.
Every class of 1958 wanes illustrious NBA career as a basketball player, All Star and world champion, and as an executive has many firsts, including serving as the MBAs first black general manager, and black team president.
Wayne serve Miami as a member of the Board of Trustees and is included.
In Miami Athletics Hall of Fame.
Throughout his life, Wayne has exemplified love and honor through his passion to make Miami and the MBA more inclusive for all.
Miami university will honor Wayne this spring with the installation of a statue in his likeness at malaria.
Also, the 2021 freedoms.
Of 64 award will go to both Wayne and his late wife, alumna Terry Embry for their civil rights champions.
And his with leaders in Miami and continue to advance analysts.
Go high.
And around the nation.
Thank you, Wayne, for all that you have done to serve the MBA and Miami.
Love and honor.
[SPEAKER] Thank you, Dr.
Proper?
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Thank you, President Crawford, for that introduction., everyone.
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Our session today is how sports can move us to a great society.
With Wayne Embry, Class of 1958.
Joining Wayne today is Miami Athletic Director David Saylor, and our moderator is Bree Robinson, assistant athletic director for leadership and Diversity.
Before I turn it over to Bree, I just want to remind you that you can submit questions during this session clicking on the blue hyperlink below the video, we do our best to get to all the questions, but we may not have time to answer everyone so with that, I will turn the program over to Bree, David, and Wayne take it away Bree.
[SPEAKER] Thank you so much.
Well, first.
I want to welcome everyone.
And I especially want to welcome Wayne, who is our guest of honor today and David, thank you for joining us and participating in this conversation.
Before we get started, I feel it that it is only right for me to acknowledge all of the accolades and accomplishments of Wayne because the list is pretty impressive.
So obviously Wayne your 1958 graduate of Miami University, you have been inducted into the Naismith Hall of Fame.
You were the first black GM president in the MBA you are two time all Maps selection.
You are five times NBA ALL star.
I mean, the list goes on and on and on and now you're receiving the Freedom Summer of 64 ward with your late wife, Terry.
So thank you again.
[inaudible] today It's good to be here.
[SPEAKER] And David, you just celebrated or reached the eight year mark of being here at my end.
At the beginning of this year.
But you have experience not only working in athletics, but also working in the private sector and doing some consulting as well as serving at several other institutions and in looking at your resume, David, you have covered almost every region of the United States here with your athletic related experience hopefully you'll be able to share some of what you've learned throughout your tenure as an athletic administrators as well.
[SPEAKER] So yeah, thanks for you.
Looking forward to it.
So my first question as we get started here.
Wayne You are Miami student [inaudible] over time, we've been able to witness the evolution of Miami University in many different ways and so as we think about social justice, and where we are right now, what do you think are some similarities and some differences between the fight for social justice when you were a student at Miami, and what you're seeing in young people now.
[SPEAKER] 57 and 58 before the civil rights movement, myself much activism, campus or around during those years, things were pretty much as they were.
I got to say [inaudible] terrific because wouldn't many places we couldn't go.
I didn't know what that was.
And of course, we play games in the south and that's when I had first exposure to discrimination and in that eating in same restaurants with players.
Players appreciate that they wouldn't go either.
Number of components where we kitchen, hotels where we stayed, and this is all before the civil rights movement.
And I think in the sixties when Dr.
King and other great civil rights leader started their activism and I think of course they made a big difference.
And I think what we're seeing today is made some backlash in to what complements in progression which had been made and so I think there aren't many similarities to when I was in school because it was what it was, BUT after THE civil rights movement, great progress is made and for my Bash and programs and the all out effort to be inclusive in corporate America as well as institutions.
I think what we're seeing today is similar the [inaudible], maybe the progress has been made and as we were witnessing and experiencing more progress is necessary.
[SPEAKER] Absolutely.
And I think that what I've identified is the students right now are pretty invigorated.
And we realized that a lot of people are now behind this social justice movement.
And there is a lot of opportunity.
So David, can you share a little bit about over your time as athletics administrator, what you seen and in terms of the spirit.
the students, and what they're doing right now, that really excites you and really makes it different right now.
Well, there's just been so much more attention brought to the table and the student athletes, they're so inquisitive and they've asked so many questions.
And wanted to get more involved that it's really the dialogue is really been sparked at a different level than I've ever seen in this industry.
And I think that is a really positive thing I think we have to do as leaders of the young people, coaches and staff, and people in front offices of professional leagues as we have really got not just put out reactionary statements, but thoughtful statements that include actionable items that people can grab hold of and take part.
And I think that's really important.
There's so many things facing these young people right now when you think about all the different [inaudible] student athletes, name, image, likeness transfers, the virus.
What really comes out of it to me that is needed for these young people is empathy, there's a huge need for empathy to try to put yourself in a position to understand what they are going through, what is hitting them on a daily basis and how we can help move forward with actionable things that really what I focus on and Bree's done a great job helping us with that here at Miami, but really, what I see is a dialogue that's been sparked.
The key now is really get that communicated properly and create those safe spaces so that allies can be created.
And if we can get the right allies created and really starting moving forward, that'll be when you see activism take hold that at another level, I think than we've ever seen it before.
[SPEAKER] Thank you for that, David.
So Wayne you heard me earlier and obviously you experienced it, but you have blaze many a trail throughout your time working in athletics and also just in general as a student athlete.
So what's been the most challenging part about being the first [SPEAKER] I go [inaudible] typical stereotypes that I wouldn't qualify being the first it was a burden that one must because I had to prove.
And someone asked me early on when I was first named, did I see any significance of being the first white general manager?
And my answer was it would only significant [inaudible].
But within myself, I knew that I had to be successful and I had somewhat toward doing more working harder than anybody else doing my job to be successful to prove Baghdad.
And I know my stance there were those who would say I was incontinent, Get back to me.
And of course, evidence by me but more.
And so he was forced background that I had the education, I had an experience that I had at Miami.
And I said this quite often whenever I doubted myself, I reflect back on pictures on the wall and Miami and coaches ahead, in Miami.
When you come [inaudible] same institution, of color brown and [inaudible].
How those great sports figures.
Impact.
I figured that if they I could do it.
So to inspired me in I continued on as if I were just a general manager in that category, of black general manager general manager, what's the job to do?
I think that that's so important that you made mention of hearing that you weren't qualified, but knowing that you were qualified and believing in yourself enough to continue and have the personal fortitude to be successful.
David, we're going to transition and I have a question for you because you have had many conversations about us empowering student athletes and also making sure that we have representation in our clinic department.
But how have you positioned yourself to create change while empowering student athletes coaches and staff at Miami to do the same.
Yeah.
It's a good question and I do just want to take a minute to say, I am kind of in awe being on this call with Wayne.
He's been such a friend to me and someone that's really given me great advice over the years and just honored to share this platform with them and I can only imagine the burden of just carrying that people doubting you and you're just trying to do your job, but you've got all this other stuff attached to it.
I know the athletic director down at Vanderbilt, she's the first African-American athletic director and female in the SEC and I read a story interview with her recently where she talked about kind of carrying the flag and what goes along with that.
So just a testament to Wayne and all that, he's done over his career certainly so honored TO BE here with him, but with us in athletics.
You've been a big part of this we created a position that you have stepped into as assistant.
AT for Leadership and Diversity.
And I think you've done a fantastic job just having those dialogues with our student athletes and our staff too.
Because frankly, our staff needs to be more representative of what's going on and we have been very intentional here at Miami in terms of trying to make sure that our staff is a reflection of what our student athletes look like.
I think that's important role modeling for them.
To see.
I think it's important for us to get those different perspectives and backgrounds into our department.
So we've worked very hard at that.
But for me really, what it is about at the end of the day for our kids is helping them find their voice and I don't care if that is a kid on the football team or kid on the field hockey team.
It really doesn't matter.
Basketball, soccer, whatever.
But those four boxes that we've created, the dialogue, the communication, the allyship.
And then really the activism to me, if we can keep moving students through that metric, if you will, advancing them to the next stage of understanding and at the end of that, I think that we're going to have people that have found their voice and found a way to make a difference.
And that's really at the end of the day what I want to provide.
[SPEAKER] You bring up something really important that piece of finding your voice.
And I know I have shared that I have been able over the course of the last year to find my voice.
As a leader and also someone who is really committed to helping by University as an alumni, as well as a staff member, change the history.
So Wayne as we think about where we need to go, as an athletic department and also, as we continue to try to make progress, what advice do you have for David as a leader during this time?
Trying to press forward and really within the test of this long fight.
[SPEAKER] [inaudible] I think he's going to drip it [inaudible] and I think we in our respective positions yet, be listeners.
And listen to students at Leeds.
There had to say understand what their needs are.
Just communications a big word as well, communicate back and forth and and [inaudible] just building on what you've done.
[SPEAKER] I liked that part about listening and David alluded to this earlier and talked about empathy, but I think that the only way to really establish and build empathy is to be able to listen, to take a step back and listen to other people and then communicate openly and honestly.
Over the course of the last year, I've heard many people say that they have sat down and had conversations with people who are different from them just to understand their perspective and I think that to your point, Wayne David has done an incredible job of listening and I think that we'll continue to have success at my university as long as we are encouraged and empowered to continue to do that and continue to listen well and along those lines,.
One of the best things we've done so far, and if people want to go back to a website, they can find it on there.
But one of our student athletes, [inaudible] men's basketball player, great students here at Miami.
And he came to us and said he wanted to host kind of recording session called Red Hawk Real Talk.
And there's always that concern that if you give the microphone to the students, do you have to kind of monitor it?
Are they going to say something inappropriate, those kind of things, but my J came at it with such a conviction and a level of just belief that they can make a difference in just having conversation and I know Bree, you were a part of recording those sessions and they really did a fantastic job and to me listening to those type things that the kids kind of do themselves is where I learned the most so I think those have been fantastic sessions that we've done here at Miami.
[SPEAKER] Yeah.
I just wanna give kudos to our student athletes because they don't have to lean into the discomfort of having those conversations and same thing with our coaches who had been a part of those things as well.
But they have and they've trusted us and continue to have those conversations time and time again and be open and candid with us.
And so I feel very fortunate to be at an institution where we can do that.
And continue to keep the main thing and the relevant topic of social justice at the forefront.
And I think it's important to recognize President Crawford this is why for not for all the work they've done, they've been so willing to jump in and lean into themselves in any topic around diversity and inclusion.
They have just really inclusive excellence in that area is what Greg preaches and he lives it every day.
And I think that is important because for all of us at the University down we learn from [inaudible] and take our lead from him and he's been fantastic in this area.
[SPEAKER] He has and that's actually a great segue to my next question.
Because we've seen many organizations talk about what their values are, but not necessarily practice those behaviors and align.
Their financial resources, and I think we've done a pretty good job of developing groups and also making sure that they're as follows through with the things that we're doing and I know the implementation of the DEI task force as well as the DEI implementation team, are two of those things that I really think about as well as some of the positions that are being created as recommendations from those two groups and so you klnow we see this happen in professional sport, where there have been organizations that have said that certain things were important to them, like social justice, but they have not necessarily included those people, impacted or affected or made space for the most vulnerable to be a part of that change or elevate the voices of those people and sometimes when they have included individuals, it is been at the sake of them, than losing jobs are being excluded wayne, What do you believe to be best practices for organizations in developing campaigns that are actual justice and trying to balance the scales when it comes to racial equality [SPEAKER] You've got to be [inaudible] really realize what's going on, what's happening?
Encourage our young student athletes to be leaders?
Because I think sports to be a model for greater society.
Regardless of what sport, because you're competing against other teams, other individuals and you're coming together in teams with the team in order to win, you put, you got to play for each other.
You've got to respect each other.
And I think to build a Chandon, you got to have mutual respect in that locker room I'm drawing the field and we.
Develop that and I think we could be a model for greater society and for the platform to demonstrate that [inaudible] conduct themselves on the court in their community and represent their community and their institution and themselves.
Let's not forget, we do represent our selves we have to have self-respect and using sports as a model these are young people and people will come files because you got many fans who follow and how we conduct ourselves.
Is really important and we can make an impression on people and hopefully have an impact on society.
Yeah, I liked the whole notion that sport can be an equalizer.
And I think that's what you are getting at.
I want to bounce this back to David because Wayne brought something up that I know IS very important to you, David, and it's a part of our graduating champions mission, but integrity and being honest, can you talk a little bit about how this movement towards social justice really fits into the graduating champions mission [SPEAKER] Absolutely Bree.
It's weaved with within everything we do.
I feel in terms of we want to graduate our kids first and foremost, but you also want to make them champions and prepared for life.
I think the diversity and living in a world with diversity and understanding how to navigate that is very important piece of that equation.
I believe we are one of the leaders on campus in this area, and I say that because Wayne hit the exact point when our kids are in a huddle, they don't care where each others from.
They don't care what the situation is back home for somebody.
They just want to work together and find a way to achieve a common goal together.
So they're way ahead.
Of everybody else on this topic.
I know there are students that come to Miami, probably come from a background where they have not been around diverse groups, but I can assure you that our kids have buy and large and so I want us to play a leading role in that and I think that's why we have embedded it into the graduating champions mission because I think it is some we have a responsibility to be intentional about talking about and showing where we're able to make progress with it.
I think the last piece of it that I felt, my first couple of years here, I did not do as well, was hiring staff and I think we've made a really, really big stride in that in the last six years.
And I think we're in a better position now to kind of be having all these discussions, than had we not addressed it back 56 years ago, would have been would have been scrambling to catch up.
I feel like the way we have embedded it in everything we're doing, we've been able to.
Take what happened on the national level and move it forward quickly here at Miami into activism and involvement.
[SPEAKER] Absolutely.
I said to myself several times that I was very grateful that I had the opportunity to get some practice before thrown in the real game.
This past summer.
And so hats off to you, David and again, our administration and our university for just being very forward thinking and proactive in that way in creating positions to make sure that we can continue to move forward as it pertains to diversity inclusion.
[SPEAKER] Yeah, I've kind of sometimes a little bit inside because everyone created this new diversity leadership position, which is the one you hold brief for us and we created two over two years ago so we were definitely ahead on that and then I know we came out and said we're gonna give our kids off Election Day from any practice or competitions here at Miami.
And then sure enough, it wasn't a week later, the NCAA did it for all of college athletics.
And so I feel like we've we've done some things for the right reasons and they've proven to be things that other people have done later as well.
[SPEAKER] Thank you for that.
So Wayne, What do you the NBA has done very well in really position themselves as opposed to some other sports leagues to take a public stance regarding social justice.
[SPEAKER] [inaudible] to four prime and have been for years and.
Leadership, silver and David Stern prior to him of the ownership teams that [inaudible] opportunity and that's what I we ask for the equal opportunity to prove ourselves.
Having seen the progress the NBA has made, and hiring of coaches managers, presidents.
Of course on the court but I think MBAs and equal opportunity employer, global, we had six representing the MBA and Linda said, the world has come together behind this iris for basketball.
And tended to great.
Again, I keep saying, can be a model for greater society because we come together and what we've done progress has been made.
And our athletes have become very proactive using their platform to promote social justice and people that we are a world that we are humans.
And human beings must have respect AND mutual respect for each other because deep respect, bring to that chaos and turmoil which creates hostility.
Which lead to all the isms, racism, sexism can create hatred, hatred can cause conflict, and conflict can destroy civilizations.
So we've got to continue promoting respect.
That's a big word my vocabulary and I think if we can respect each other's perspective, human race WE CAN overcome what issues we have today.
[SPEAKER] That's a great tie back to what David was saying earlier in regards to in the athletic world, there is this equalizer, there's this one thing that everyone is striving are reaching to try to achieve and that is the championship or the win.
I'll speak to my experience and Wayne, I'm sure you maybe had some similar experiences, but my teammates cared about me as a person and that care for me as a person superseded anything else.
And so regardless of what our differences were, which we could talk about all day, regardless of what my differences were where they had this insurmountable level of respect for me that really made me feel included and I think contributed to my positive experience when I was here at Miami.
So when you just talked a little bit about some of the things happening in the MBA David David, what else do you see between the MBA in some other professional sports organizations?
And then what's happening with the NCAA, [inaudible] American Conference and then here at Miami.
[SPEAKER] Boy, there's a couple of different levels there, but I would say the NCAA has helped institutions and making some progress, there's still a ways to go with some things at the NCAA level but I would use an example of the flags changing in the South as one that I think the student athletes at those institutions down in the south, them went hard after asking for that change to be made as well as some politicians and some others and they were able to affect that change.
And I think those types of things are powerful and they're really good.
The Election Day campaign that went on at the NCAA level and the voter registration rallies that we had here at Miami with our student athletes were fantastic.
And I think some thing that a lot of people participated in for the first time and it's really how we can grow from there is going to be the important piece, but where I think there needs to be a lot more work at the NCA level is giving more need to kids that need it I think we spend so much time talking about a scholarship and frankly, there's some kids that the scholarships is great, but it's nothing more than what mom or dad brag about to their friends.
There are other kids who desperately need that scholarship.
If they didn't have it, they wouldn't be coming to school.
Then really tried to challenge some people in leadership within the NCAA about do we even need the traditional scholarship model to exist?
Should it be more of a Pell Grant based model, need-based aid model, where all a kid that really needs it gets their full education paid for.
And that happens across the board regardless of sport so I think my hope is that there will be more attention.
I think this is where you get into some of the student athletes should be [inaudible] discussion that people have.
Their name and [inaudible] likeness.
I would like it more of the conversation would shift more to what kids need based on their level of aid that they need and trying to take care of that first and foremost.
[SPEAKER] Thank you for that, David.
So I'm going to ask one more question and then we will go ahead and we are going to open it up to the audience to ask whatever questions they have for in this question is to both of you, but, what what advice do you have for athletes at this time?
Leveraging the power and politics that exist within sport and their desire to participate in activism.
[SPEAKER] I think we have a platform [inaudible] recognized it as long as they present themselves in a respectful way.
And remain nonpartisan.
Establish what their purpose is.
[inaudible] respectful for all people.
And I think they can have a great role in making sure change I think [inaudible] change arts from mind through many policies changed through legislation and over the years but I think we are in a situation today where we still much hearts and minds of people and we got atrium I go to the 8020 rule.
I think 80% of people on this world are great, terrific people to maybe 20% just thrive on hatred.
And so I think our athletes a very important part of each making change.
Everybody change hearts and minds.
[SPEAKER] And I think building off of some of those concepts, one of the things that I found fascinating is you know dealing with has been so difficult on so many levels but the one part of it I think that has been interesting to delve into more [inaudible] is how and racism are similar and how they're similar is that the actions that a kid takes effect other people.
And recognizing that in terms of I want to take care of people around me, so I'm gonna distance and where my mask and do what I'm supposed to do.
That's a selfless act, that's something you should do to help other people to take care of other people.
And similarly, how you behave around different groups of people affects other people and so it is kind of like doing the right thing and trying to as I told my two young boys, you know, no one is born a racist.
It's something that is pressed upon them.
It's taught, it's learned, it's things that they see and observe.
And just realizing how what we do affects other people to me has been something that the covid era has brought us, as well as the social justice era.
And they've happen kind of simultaneously.
But if you link them together, there's actually a commonality there that's pretty interesting.
[SPEAKER] Yeah, I think that that's an incredible point talking about that selflessness and really bringing it back to the honesty, the honesty to admit when there's an issue and identify when there's an issue.
And have the integrity to do the right thing.
But then also David, what you were talking about with that empathy and being selfless enough to try to take on the perspective of another and realize what someone else may be experiencing outside of your lived experience so at this time, we are going to welcome Mark back are there any questions that the audience has at this time?
[SPEAKER] Yes, absolutely.
So this question is from Charles.
And he asks, What can fans do to elevate and support women in sports?
Especially the WNBA?
And what do you think the NBA should be doing to achieve more gender equity between men's and women's basketball.
[SPEAKER] Recognize [inaudible] time and distance.
Very much a supporter of it because I think women want to play basketball too.
So I take the WNBA made tremendous progress over the years and I'm really proud of what's happened in NBA as relates to [inaudible] equality County everyday and the number of coaches advancing behind [inaudible].
And the number of women in front office.
And I think we had ten women referee's now, which is through this progress and it's going to continue to grow.
The lead an NBA, very proud OF that.
[SPEAKER] And I think it's only a matter of time until there's a woman coaching basketball at the NCAA level.
I really do.
I think it's just a matter of time.
It's going to happen.
[SPEAKER] [inaudible] I'll add here is that I think the NBA did a really good job in helping the WNBA with endorsing even just their brand in trying to grow the game.
And I think that's type of collaboration partnership is helpful [inaudible] of women's and then also asking your question, who's at the table or what opportunities are.
For these people outside of my own identities, be able to help make room and make sure that we are providing more opportunities and not just for equality so the max matching numbers on each side would also for equity.
And providing the resources for people to be successful.
[SPEAKER] Great, thank you.
All right.
The next one here comes in from Jonathan.
Jonathan asked would love to know Wayne's thoughts on Michael Jordan staying out of politics versus LeBron James using his voice and how maybe affects their legacies.
[SPEAKER] Think about it.
Michael Jordan engaged in [inaudible] politics, but he expressed his views on issues over the years.
[inaudible] locally.
And I think.
Given the time that we're in now, but Brian is getting more publicity.
Active, very active as we all know.
He couldn't more publicity than about what he's doing and it's because people were afraid to tell.
Michael shut and dribble, and as happened with [inaudible] before I may have said, during this session, where they say that athletes can be local [inaudible] First Amendment rights as well.
Of course, done.
And it's done.
Respectful way in a nonpartisan way.
I think.
As we should have a right to speak up because we don't over the years, tried to bring up and go back to the word respect.
You should respect.
And you try to change hearts and minds of people and that's what the Bronx trying to do.
[SPEAKER] Yeah absolutely great.
See another one here comes in from Connie wayne.
What skills do you think are most important for student athletes to develop in order to be successful if they make it to the professional level.
[SPEAKER] [inaudible] very much a part of the game now, the three-point shot.
I think developing your skill, ball handling skill and shooting skill is critical.
And I think it's a tough climb.
But that's what we look for.
[inaudible] that would be most important to me is character.
Character involves a lot of different attributes, work as you going along with people.
What your purpose is.
Again.
[SPEAKER] Great.
Let's see we have got one that came in through our YouTube.
Folks that are watching on YouTube.
And that question is, how did Wayne, and this is from Michael you can see it here at the bottom.
How did weighing get the nicknames and the the Wall?
I get to do some gotten nickname.
When I was.
High school because [inaudible], WE CA the ball at bows and various things.
And I put my hand up.
And I could do the same.
So all of a sudden I got to nickname goose.
Make came when I went to Boston because pick I said commentators, radio commentators running into a wall.
[inaudible] the wall.
Now those are good nicknames.
I think a question that I have What was your favorite Miami memory maybe on the basketball court and then one naming that was